PSP:NGP one of the smallest and most powerful devices

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  1. ViciousDS
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    Seriously a Quad core and a 4 core GPU????? sony finally learned what people want for gaming on the go.....we WANT POWER!!!! Also this device roughly meets the PS3 in system specs and if im correct passes the 360 in power...







     
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    How much though.
     
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    we have no idea.....lol thats always saved for later, if its $300 or under im so buying it day one
     
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    I'd estimate $300+ easily.
     
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    don't kill my dreams and hopes......because if it goes any higher....im just going to buy another console and mod it lol
     
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    I would estimate $349 at launch. Even without specs on the graphics chip, I would imagine it would be quite good from seeing the other specs.


    On the other hand, this is not as powerful as the PS3 and may or may not be more powerful than the XBox 360. From the known specs, all it has over the 360 is one additional processing core. But without knowing the speed of the cores we dont know if this A9 core in this handheld will be more powerful or not. My guess is not.

    The 360 has a triple core CPU, with 2 processing threads per core. Kinda like a quasi hex-core. These cores in the 360 run at 3.2GHz each.
    Hard to imagine that this A9 core which I very much doubt has more than 1 thread per core is anywhere close to 3.2GHz core speeds.

    Lets think this through, the XBox 360 has to power its 3.2GHz CPU cores, the graphics chip, system RAM, and video RAM, the CD drive, and the hard drive. This takes a bit over 125 watts of power. Broken down it is like this (these are estimates of each part):
    CPU: 55w
    GPU: 35w
    RAM: 3w
    VRAM: 2w
    CD: 15w
    HDD: 15w

    If the processor and graphics chip are as fast as the XBox 360, even with the latest and greatest optimizations, we are looking at well over 50w of power draw. How long would 50w of draw last on a little handheld battery? 5 minutes? lol

    No no no, this new handheld will probably have a CPU speed of 1GHz per core, drawing maybe 20 watts. the graphics chip will draw 5-10w.
     
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    Yeah I think the only worth getting from sony was the PSP. This new handheld may be worth getting. If not i'll stick with my PSP slim.
     
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    You all know the truth. It's buried deep, but you can't hide it.

    This little baby will cost only...

    FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY-NINE YOU ESS DORRAS.

    And you will buy it, because Microsoft hasn't made something better yet.
     
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    Im sold. I own three different models of the psp and plan on getting this as well. Nintendo lost this generation imo when it tried to go tooo out of the box on ideas and not develop enough games since the big name third party publishers pulled out.
     
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    The battery already in early stages lasts as long as the original psp or near to it, so roughly 6 hours on full screen brightness. Which btw is longer then the 3DS is going to last i guess that sucker has no life outside of being plugged in


    http://gamerant.com/sony-ngp-battery-life-psp-3000-tao-63269/
     
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    5 inch screen..no thanks..Ill wait till i get home to play
     
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    Some iPhones go for over $700 and this new PSP is superior to it technologically. Just to give you an idea. I think $500 for something like this sounds fair. The original PSP was $350 when it launched, iirc. Considering inflation over the last 6 years, and the jump in technology, it doesn't sound unreasonable.
     
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    Good technology, yes, though the question remains whether there's much future in these with smartphones becoming sufficiently powerful to double as gaming devices. The input isn't necessarily ideal, but if someone already has one with him/her, there is a strong incentive to pass up having to carry a second device just for games when the existing one does reasonably well.

    Of course, the NGP is likely going to be a hit amongst those who actually want non-casual stuff. But, non-casual on a phone-sized device... not sure what the market's like there.
     
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    isnt one of the fastest smart phones just a 1ghz snapdragon processor meaning 1 core? PSP has 4 CORES!!!!! seriously until cell phones can not overheat in there structure without going to high PSP2 will be a great buy, seriously the HTC phones are like $600 without a plan, my thoughts will be that the PSP:NGP will be cheaper meaning 10x the power for less price.


    the Tegra dual cores are scheduled soon though
     
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    Just FYI, the Tegra and Tegra 2 use a Cortex-A9 processors at their heart. And the Tegra 2 is 1Ghz as well.
    Tegra is a system on a chip, meaning it is the CPU, GPU, northbridge, southbridge, and memory controller all in one. Tegra itself isnt exactly a processor.
    Also, the Hummingbird processor that Samsung uses in their Galaxy S phones is much better than the Snapdragon version processors, and the iPhone 4 uses a downgraded version of the Hummingburd processor. The Hummingbird has many times faster graphical performance than Snapdragon as well as better battery life on average.

    All are based on ARM Cortex cores.




    On another note, while there is little info on the SGX543 graphics chip used in this new PSP, it will be a PowerVR chip as those are the SGX chips. Tegra 1 has 20% better performance on average than the SGX540 chip. It sounds to me like the SGX543 is either a higher end version of the same chip, or the next gen chip. Either way I would guess that the SGX543 is NOT better than the GeForce chip built into Tegra 2.
    The iPhone 5 is also supposed to have this same SGX543 graphics chip though.

    And another useless piece of info:
    Tegra 2 will have 25%-100% better graphics performance than the 2nd gen Snapdragon QSD8650A processor. The 1st gen version of that chip (QSD8650) was used in the HTX EVO 4G. The 2nd gen version uses less power and runs at 1.3GHz instead of 1GHz.



    Seems to me like Sony would have been much better off with Tegra 2 than designing their own system with inferior graphical performance when the purpose of this is mobile gaming. I guess grudges really do matter more than making extra money.



    EDIT:
    Found info on the SGX543 graphics chip:
    35 million polygons per second @ 200MHz
    a fill rate of 1 Gigapixel per second @ 200 MHz.
    (A8 CPU = Hummingbird and Snapdragon, although with the large GPU performance difference between the two we have no idea which A8 core design they are basing the claim against, probably the lowest performing A8 core for marketing purposes.)


    ^^^
    I have to stop doing this type of stuff after 2am, I am just all over the place with my thoughts.
     
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    you know Sony is greedy fuckers.......look how much the Ps3 was so far
     
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    id estimate either 399, or 499... im going for the higher one. I hate handheld gaming consoles, havnt had one since the original gameboy, and dont ever want one either.
     
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    And just because it's a Sony-related thread, I'm obliged to post this, for the umpteenth time.

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    Shouldn't that be a PS3 coming out of that ass instead of a turd?
     
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    Correct. The turd is a variable that represents any Sony product. When you take a dump next time, look at it and imagine it as any Sony product, then flush it down.