Kaitou - Undead rogue

Discussion in 'Accepted and on Probation' started by kai, Jan 19, 2010.

  1. kai
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    1. Character Name, Class, and Main Spec:
    ~Kaitou
    ~Rogue
    ~Mutilate (51/18/02)

    2. Armory Link: (explain talent choices here in needed):
    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sargeras&cn=Kaitou
    ~Mutilate gear is pretty much same i use for PVP when I actually do PVP so going the highest DPS mutilate spec just makes sense to me.

    3. List raid helpful professions:
    ~Jewelcrafting
    ~Enchanting

    4. Time playing WoW and PvE progression:
    ~Vanilla WoW

    5. PvP influences and impact on raiding:
    ~I can scheadule arena time around raiding, its not a problem.

    6. Age (18 is required with limited exceptions):
    ~23

    7. Occupation and living arrangements that impact raiding(family, classes, dorm, night shifts etc):
    ~US Army, I can get deployed. I currently live with my fiancae in Clarksville, TN.

    8. Guild you are leaving and why: (If you join another guild without following up here, application will be closed):
    ~Invalid, casual member and I really want to raid.

    9. How did you hear about us? List any friends/references within the guild:
    ~I used to be in XoO as a casual member, attended a few of your raids when you guys were low on people.

    10. List consumables you bring to raid:
    ~Flasks :O

    11. Additional Scheduling conflicts (consider possible weekend groups for 10mans):
    ~Weekends for me are 50/50 chance I will be on. Depends really if my girl is off work, gotta spend time with her some :p

    12. Provide measure of your damage/healing such as Recount (Screenshot to include player breakdown of attack %'s), WoW Web Stats (WWS), or World of Logs listing:
    ~I can take some pictures this week during pugs and post, I usually average 7200->7800 which is a little low for rogue I know but I got a crappy heroic MH Dagger, and my expertise is over cap because I havnt got enough frost badges for the trinket I actually need. Will probably jump up to 9k+ After i Switch those 2 pieces of gear out.

    13. Provide a UI screenshot from raid combat:
    ~I can post a picture later this week for this also, my UI basically has just default stuff with omen dbm and recount.

    14. Final comments you feel could help your application:
    ~I know olo said that you guys are full on melee the other day but I still want to apply incase a raid spot does open up.
     
  2. Lime
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    I remember you Kaitou, comments forthcoming
     
  3. kai
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    i remember you greenorange :)
     
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    Honestly, before my app gets torn apart for gear, Id like to point the mistakes in it just so people understand that I do know my gear/class.

    Belt: Needs gem replaced to AP Gem, reason I havnt being im trying to find a belt with haste and more gem sockets. 4AP gain from switching to AP gem isnt going to make or break me really.

    83 Expertise Trinket, Not really sure where to go with this besides ICC badges trinket w/ haste+AP

    I am fully aware that I am over expertise cap by 7-8 points at the moment which could be put into different stats, i just dont really have any other trinkets to put there.

    MH Dagger on Armory has Titanium weapon chain, I have two of same dagger, one has berserking, I use the titanium weapon chain one unless im raiding just for pvp.

    Im also aware i Should probably have haste enchant on cloak with new mutilate spec, just been lazy the last couple days. (No excuse)

    Also gonna elaberate on this a little more due to i made it kinda dull

    4. Time playing WoW and PvE progression:
    ~Vanilla WoW
    MC BWL AQ20/AQ40 ONY
    ~TBC
    KARA ZA BT SSC TK
    ~WOTLK
    Naxx10/25 OS10/25 MALY10/25 ONY10/25 ULD25(Subbed in a few bosses with you guys) TOC10/25 TOGC10(2/5) TOGC25(0/5) ICC10(4/9) icc25(4/9)

    Also wanted to say, im not trying to downgrade my dps by saying my gear sucks, cause i do more often then id expect out dps rogues that main raid for other guilds :p
     
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    Other issues I'd like to point out:

    Pants have a AP/stam gem, should be a nightmare tear.

    Weapon hands are based on DPS first and speed second, Since your off hand does more DPS, it should be your main hand weapon. Deadly Poison still should always be on the faster of the two daggers.

    The ICC trinket is BiS and being that you are way over expertise, would be a significant boost in DPS.

    ArmPen for Mutilate sucks, replace Armpen items as much as possible with items without ArmPen, especially Bloodfang Hood.
     
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    Other issues I'd like to point out:

    Pants have a AP/stam gem, should be a nightmare tear.
    ~Reasoning, nightmare tear may be +10 all stats but +10agi doesnt = +20AP which the new mutilate build uses AP to proc the poison damage. Not saying your wrong, more so explaining why.

    Weapon hands are based on DPS first and speed second, Since your off hand does more DPS, it should be your main hand weapon. Deadly Poison still should always be on the faster of the two daggers.
    ~Your right, but wrong. Your damage on envenom/mutilate is based on min+max damage/talents for damage increase on daggers etc, the dps on a rogue dagger is based on both+Speed. Mainhand I have the higher of the two weapons min/max. OH maybe a better dagger (Dps) but its got less on a min/max. Your envenoms proc off of your min-max damage, not your speed. As does mutilate, being energy based, your atkspd is just white damage.

    The ICC trinket is BiS and being that you are way over expertise, would be a significant boost in DPS.
    ~I said this ;0

    ArmPen for Mutilate sucks, replace Armpen items as much as possible with items without ArmPen, especially Bloodfang Hood.
    ~You are correct my friend, but I dont have access to everything I would like to have :p
     
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    Quoted from EJ:

    "Q: Which dagger goes MH?
    A: The higher-DPS one."

    Spreadsheet confirms this, if you feel it is wrong, please show me.
     
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    I'll test it during this 25toc im about to do :p Pretty sure thats not right tho XD
     
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    And what do you mean Envenom "procs". You use envenom with combo points, not proccing.
     
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    Proc as in where its base damage comes from, not like a trinket.
     
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    So why did you leave XoO for Invalid.
     
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    Umm actually I never left. Azric has access to my character and i quit the game for a while due to me getting deployed to iraq and he moved my character to invalid. Not to mention I was only a casual member when I was in XoO. I still am a casual in Invalid actually.
     
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    Going to have to argue with the spreadsheet. I was correct that DPS is better with the higher base damage dagger in mainhand.

    Tested :) 350dps Better. (Tested on target dummy)
     
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    Target dummy does not account for full raid buffs which can sway things in a different direction.
     
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    Also, RNG could have treated you well one time and not well the other time.
    You need to be researching facts with Rawr, EJ, or other forums/apps that do the same things. not target dummies
     
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    Also, did you include the fact that Mutilate leans towards stacking haste, which would bring up your melee damage as well?
     
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    We are currently full on melee, so any position in the guild would more than likely be based on guild PuGs.
     
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    is that like a tryout before i can actually raid? :p or...
     
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    It is more or less member rank, being that if we need a spot and no raiders are on/need to fill a PuG 25 then you will be a considered person to bring. If a melee drops off then we can look at you further for the main raid, but as of now, melee DPS is full for the main raid.
     
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    raid positions for melee are full unless people quit or switch toons etc.

    friend rank is the only available melee position.