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  1. thekid
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    i need a new computer

    i know nothing about performance or graphics's so, if u do help, ill probably be asking u if u could tell me how to max its proformas. i live in Minnesota so where ever i buy online, or micro center (we have one here). it would have to be able to ship to me.

    -Things Im looking for:
    -can run Tera Easy. nothing to great, just something your lancer can can run on, and not fail the run, raid, or w/e the hell im doing.
    -And also, i will need a list of things the computer will need, like "if u get this part added into the comp, it will help this much" well what will it require.


    -Not looking to pay for
    i'm not looking for a sound system

    -Things i have that will have to be able to run in it,
    • my G15 game pad.
    • a keyboard gona but.

    ill add more info, when more info comes to mind. so if u have looked at this thank you so much, and if u reply, and i happen to like the reply, there might be some kind of thanks. idk credit, or money, Ebay item, idk.
     
  2. ViciousDS
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    just run AMD CPU and a ATI Card


    AMD CPU Quad or Hex Core.......ATI 6950



    for a 1080p monitor also look into ASUS I have them and the 2ms response time and crystal clear screen is amazing



    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059



    for TV for the computer.....just get a samsung if you want a big 40 incher
     
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    Well, we need some basic boundaries. We know you want to run Tera. Is that your primary concern?

    Also, are you wanting upgradability or just the best performance to price system?

    Most importantly, what is your price point?
     
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    -if its not tera, its a fps.

    -im price range starts at 800< and can do anywhere too 4,800 cheaper the better... i don't have a job that pays well, all job money goes to savings for collage/car.
     
  5. EniGmA1987
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    Woah! $4,800? You could get a 48-core monster with 64GB of DDR-1600 RAM, an Nvidia GTX580 or AMD 6970, 8TB of hard drive space, and a SSD for your boot drive and a SSD for your favorite games with that much money.


    ok I will look up a full set of parts for a computer for you, trying to hit the under $1000 mark, and give a full description of what it does and why you should get it.

    Do you have an operating system to install on this or do you need to buy a new one?



    I have to go to sleep now as it is 2:22am for me and I have to be up at 4:30am for work. So I will post everything that I suggest for you tomorrow when I get home from work. Probably in 12 hours or so from this post.
     
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    http://www.hardware-revolution.com/mainstream-gaming-pc/

    This is one of the best resources for building a gaming PC on a budget because hardware prices and options are always changing. If you are unsure what to get, I would just load up one of his lists and just order them part by part. His suggestions are very good.
     
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    i have a windows 7.
     
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    i like the site, he really knows what he is talking about....i think, well at least i hope.. ill check it out, but if u could find me a build where i don't really need to add anything to it, that would so freaking awesome...that site made my mind blow.
     
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    The thing is... you should read what that article says before Enigma blows you away with his load of information (possibly read it 2-3 times.) That way you can be informed on what was recommended by two different sources and make your own decision.
     
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    Important question, are you wanting to overclock the system a lot? Or maybe not even any OC at all?
     
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    Are you wanting a complete, prebuilt system like a Dell or HP?
    Or are you wanting to get the exact parts that are recommended to you and put it together yourself?
     
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    i was thinking the same thing, and i was reading it. and i came up on the matter of do i know what they are saying, or am i just hearing big words and saying "hell ya that good'.

    but i was thinking about maybe going the tier 3 or just going to micro center in my state, and tell my dueler there, i want a gaming comp finally.



    i have no idea what over clocking is, my guess is leaving computer running a game? over having some giant clock on my desktop....
     
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    hmmm im really looking for a laptop but im ok with a desktop cause i can drive it to my friends, but i really am just looking for a comp, for tera and other games. ill sell my laptop for a quick buck. but idk much about makers of computer, other then the others, and stuff like that i follow that, but not what they make.

    and i have a friend who knows how to put it together, so its fine if its a bunch of different places.
     
  14. EniGmA1987
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    Ok well since you dont know much about computers, and you definitely wont be able to overclock really well, these are the parts I would recommend to you:


    Tower:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811815004
    It has pretty decent build quality, especially for the price. Colors are nice, and you dont need to use a screwdriver to put the DVD and hard drive in which will be nice for you and your friend. Best of all, its very cheap and it even comes with a decent exhaust fan.

    Power Supply:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256035
    This is one of the most important parts of a computer that is often overlooked. An unstable power supply can cause Windows crashes. An older, less efficient power supply will consume more electricity. This one is rated for a minimum of 80% efficiency which is good. It also uses a high quality main capacitor for long life and stable operating. And in addition is rated at 700 watts of continuous power at 50 degrees celcius, which is hotter than it will ever run at your house. Meaning it will provide more power than its rating is for. Modular cabling means you dont have to have a bunch of unused wires inside your tower, you just have the wires you need. A single 12v power rail in the PSU means you dont have to worry about overloading the PSU with your graphics card by not plugging in cables properly. Silverstone is one of the best power supply manufacturers around. The best ones are Silverstone, SeaSonic, and Antec. Corsair is very nice but Corsair actually uses many SeaSonic designs and just re-brands them.

    DVD/CD Drive:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827140041
    This is just a standard DVD/CD writer that will read and write all CD and DVD formats. It will do everything but Bluray. This is the newest model with the fastest speeds.

    Motherboard:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128444
    This is where I start to vary from the link posted earlier in this thread. WHile that other guy only suggested Intel processors, I am suggesting an AMD CPU. My reason is that the processor recommended by the other article for the mid-range gaming computer is a standard quad-core with no hyper-threading. My pick is a 6-core processor so it has more cores to game on which will help in the future, and it runs faster per core. While AMD is not quite as efficient as Intel in performance for the speed of each core, the greater amount of cores and higher speed on this AMD processor mean it has at least the same performance as the suggested Intel processor from the other article, and in some cases will do better. In addition, the motherboard for AMD is cheaper with better things, so it gets you more for your money when taking the whole system into account. This motherboard has the latest USB3.0 and SATA 6.0gbps connections, so if you get newer tech to use with your computer in the future it will be able to take advantage of its full speed of the new tech (flash drives, hard drives, solid state drives).
    On another note, the "Tier 3" you said you were thinking about uses AMD processors as well just like my parts here. However the "Tire 3" CPU is a lower end quad core.


    Processor:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103858
    This is an AMD 6-core processor. Each core is 3GHz in speed. Gaming performance on this will be quite high, and allow you to take advantage of newer games ability to use more and more processing cores. In comparison to the Intel CPU in the earlier article, each core runs faster and it has 50% more processing cores.

    RAM (memory):
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231308
    While some may think the speed is way too slow, for normal gaming it will be fine. It also has tighter timings than standard higher speed RAM so it balances out. AMD memory controllers tend to work better with lower timing RAM anyway so it is better to get 1066 w/ 7-7-7 timings than 1333 w/ 9-9-9 timings anyway. In addition, the RAM is so cheap that this computer will have 16GB of RAM! From some tests others have done, it has been shown in most cases that DDR-1066 with 5-5-5 timings provides enough bandwidth for anything you need today. So with these sticks you are pretty close to those speeds which is good, especially for the price.

    Graphics card:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125356
    Probably the most important part for you as this is a gaming computer. I chose the AMD 6950 because it provides very good performance for its price, and it has 2GB of video memory. Much more than the lowest end Nvidia GTX5 series card (that also costs more), so you wont have to worry about texture sizes increasing throughout the years. Playing modern games on high/very high settings can easily take 1-1.5GB of video memory so having 2GB now is a good thing. Some games would be limited by using a GTX570 because it has less memory.

    Hard Drive:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
    Another very important part as the hard drive is the slowest part of the computer. So the faster this is, the faster the whole computer is. I picked a 1TB drive because it is very cheap, and this model is quite fast for a mechanical drive. It has lots of good ratings and I personally own one of them for my gaming drive.

    The subtotal (before tax and shipping) is $1,002.91. So it is pretty close to that $1k mark I was shooting for :) If you can find these exact parts at MicroCenter then you can just buy them there. You will have to pay tax then, but at least you have the part right away and if you have any problems with something you can return it very easily.

    This desktop computer will be far better for gaming than any laptop you can find around the same price. The only downside is it is a tower and not as portable. However It will still work much better for gaming, so if you want a top end gaming computer, you really should go with a desktop anyway.

    This build that I picked out would end up somewhere between the Tier 4 and Tier 5 computers in that previous article, closer to Tier 5. The only real difference for gaming is that the Tier 5 computer has a better graphics card, but my build is not much lower in that department and better in every other.
    You said you were thinking about a Tier 3, but that is the "Overclockers special" which you wont be doing any of so getting a computer with parts made for overclocking would be a waste.
    Also the prices of something in the article are wrong and it actually costs a little bit more than they say.






    If you want a monitor for the new computer, I suggest this one:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236095
    This monitor is very thin and sexy looking. It will draw a lot of attention from your friends. It has standard brightness, and a very good contrast ratio to give it a very nice picture. It has a really fast refresh rate which is great for games and is full 1080p resolution. The monitor doesnt just tilt, it also can swivel too. So you can position it easier on your desk. The screen size is a pretty decent size as well and the monitor is quite cheap for what you get.
    Also, the small size and incredibly light design will make it easy to take to your friends house.
     
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    Comparison between my build and the Tier 5 build in the article found here:
    http://www.hardware-revolution.com/mainstream-gaming-pc/


    Processor:
    Them: 2.8GHz, 4 cores
    Me: 3.0GHz, 6 cores

    Motherboard:
    Them: 2x SATA6, 2x USB3 - $130
    Me: 6x SATA6, 2x USB3 - $110

    RAM:
    Them: 4GB DDR-1600, 9-9-9 timings (higher timing number is worse)
    Me: 16GB DDR-1066, 7-7-7 timings

    Video Card:
    Them: AMD 6970 - only 5-10% faster in tests than 6950
    Me: AMD 6950 - performance difference translates to 1-3fps less

    Storage:
    Exactly the same

    Optical Drive:
    Exactly the same

    Power Supply:
    Them: Corsair (SeaSonic design) 750w - a bit more power, but it isnt necessary with this computer
    Me: Silverstone 700w - modular cables

    Case:
    Them: better than mine
    Me: Worse than theirs

    Cooling:
    Them: a kinda decent aftermarket cooler, only useful if you were overclocking
    Me: stock OEM heatsink and fan. Not great, but does the job perfectly fine.

    Sound:
    Them: Integrated motherboard - nearly identical
    Me: Integrated motherboard - nearly identical

    Network:
    The same for both
     
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    You can flash the bios of a 6950 to make it up to par with a 6970.
     
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    Ya I know, but thekid wont be able to do something that advanced.
     
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    nope :3
     
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    micro center will charge ya 80 - 120 bucks (atleast they do at my store) to put it together for ya

    enigma knows his stuff ... i am just a bigger fan of the intel proc's they cost more but i like em ... however for what your doing wanting it for tera and such amd will be an awesome way to go
     
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    This is the laptop I purchased recently:

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6701575&CatId=4938

    However, as you said you don't want to have to add anything later so you may want to check out xoticpc.com

    http://www.xoticpc.com/asus-g73jw-p-2858.html

    You can customize the shit out of it, and make it much more formidable than a lot of gaming pcs. But you're going to pay for it.