Help needed in selection of New Video Card (s)

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  1. Leoben
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    Built me a new pc back in February 2013 with a ton of help from you all. Was hoping you could steer me towards a good video card or set of video cards, whichever may be better.

    I currently have this card.

    I may or may not have participated in the recent ESO beta and I may or may not have had around 30 FPS running around in the world and I am thinking with large battles at launch time in April those frames could drop down. I intend to play the game on max settings with a resolution of 1920 x 1080 on a 27in widescreen monitor. I don't want to see stuttering or any of the other things typical with low fps. I could not see myself spending more than 700$ for this upgrade.

    I would prefer one card over two since dual cards seem problematic with new games, in the past. I am not up to speed on the current latest and greatest video cards so I am kind of clueless here.

    Any help is appreciated.
     
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  2. EniGmA1987
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    lol. I came into this thread and started reading and was thinking "oh he probably is looking for a $200-300 upgrade card" and then I see your $700 limit...

    You are somewhat right about dual cards. Support has gotten MUCH better, but brand new games or betas of games do have issues because they tend to lack proper SLI/Xfire profiles. If you really want to spend $700 on a new card then you can just go all out with a GTX780ti and call it a day. That card will last you in performance for YEARS to come. Or you could go with something more reasonable and get like a GTX770 or something. Though you card is pretty good, it seems weird you have FPS issues in a game you may be playing. I would suspect it may have more to do with: CPU needs more MHz, game just needs a bit more optimizations, drivers need optimization, or you need a better networking card. It could also be something weird with hyper-threading, sometimes games do badly with it and you get more performance by turning it off. That would be the easiest thing to try. Also, are you overclocked? Having a mid 3GHz processor speed could be an issue in an MMO because it deals with so much data processing to stay in sync with the other players. If you really want to spend $700, the best way to go would be a $100 cooler, and a $350-450 GPU. Then OC the processor up and that combined with the new graphics card will keep you going a long time.
     
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    So then , if I want to get another GTX 780 to SLI it with my current one, would that be a good idea? (for SC of course)
     
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    Ya sure go ahead. It isnt like they are terribly bad to have, just that *some* brand new games and *some* beta games get really bad performance or SLI doesnt even work at first. If it is a popular game then it usually has SLI support at least to a decent extent at launch and good support after 2-3 weeks. I expect Star Citizen to have great support from the get go. I myself run dual GTX670's right now on one of my computers. But for ease of use and configuration you will never beat a single card system.
     
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    My cpu is the 3770k stock it runs like 3.4 , but I got it overclocked stable at 5.1. HD is a Samsung SSD, my ram was some of the fastest 64Gb that we could find at the time, and PSU is 720w. Liquid cooled with a ton of fans also. The link to the build is in the first post here if you need to know the actual's.

    That card I have now runs ps2, last time I played it, just fine on max settings (around 60fps if I recall). However the last game I may or may not have beta'ed like i said was around 30fps. I didn't notice any stuttering or anything and everything seemed fine I just dont think it will stay at 30fps when in big dungeons or pvp fights and spells and effects start going off?

    The GTX780ti you mentioned, is that the badass of the big dog video cards right now? Is there anything better for gaming?
     
  6. EniGmA1987
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    Well, yes it is the big badass card. However there are rumors of some new cards on the horizon that will be a bit better, I expect them to be $1000 minimum though so out of your price range. The real next gen cards are still about a year out. Im all for upgrading constantly and having the biggest and best, but I think the issue may not really be GPU related. That card is not really a bad card by any stretch so I think it has more to do with just game and driver optimization. The CPU is perfectly capable if you are running it at 5.1GHz. That will handle anything no problem for quite a while. If you want to though going with a 780Ti will definitely bruteforce the problem away :D
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125489
     
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    That card you linked says "3GB 384bit GDDR5"
    The card I have says "3GB 384-bit GDDR5"

    Aren't they the same, other than it saying "Overclocked"? just different manufacturer? Nvidia vs AMD or am I missing something?
     
  8. EniGmA1987
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    Your missing something :p


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    The nVidia GTX 800 series should drop some time soon, IIRC they release each new line around March
     
  10. EniGmA1987
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    Only the really low end Maxwell cards are launching, and they are probably going to be called parts of the 750 series. TSMC is still not ready for full production of their high performance 20nm process node which is what both AMD and Nvidia are waiting on for real next gen cards. Current estimates are new card generation at the end of the year since TSMC barely opened up a couple lines for 20nm like 2 days ago.
     
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    Those pic's you linked enigma are like showing electrical engineering schematics to a gopher :) the gopher dont know what the hell he is looking at and neither do i.

    Tell me this, would it be a better idea to hold off on a video card for something beefier towards the end of the year or just go ahead and get that one you linked now?
     
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    No one really knows right now. Rumors say the new gen "Maxwell" cards are not going to be that much of an improvement, but Nvidia has shown slides saying that Maxwell cards will be something like a 100% speed improvement over current gen. Personally if I have to wait more than 3 months for a piece of computer hardware then it is not worth the wait for me. Because if you wait 4+ months, then by the time it comes out then the next new amazing piece of hardware will still only be another 4-6 months away, and then the next one is 4-6 months after that and so on and so forth. You can play the waiting game forever but eventually you just need to pick a time and buy something then with whatever is currently out.
     
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    be stupid like me

    Buy 2 R9 290 cards and crossfire em :)

    I get 60 fps at 3240 x 1920 in Arma III ... I also ran with one 290 and had 70 fps on high at that res with ESO beta so
     
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    I knew I shouldn't have clicked the link for this thread.
    Why is it that your ~$700 cards cost ~$900 for me? :<

    Fucking import taxes and shit.
     
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    Hey it's the same here and i'm not as far away :p (well actually no i paid my 780 ghz less than 500 bucks).

    WTF tho enigma ? 100% Improvement over current cards ??? That's a really big statement from the chameleon.
     
  17. EniGmA1987
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    Well that is what some of their graphs seem to show. I don't believe it though. I cant think of a single time we have had a full doubling of performance between 1 generation.
     
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    I'm still of the mind that the 780 ti's are the best cards on the market right now. Go for the kingpin if you want to be a baller but the price is a little steeper and it really is meant for lN2. It has no voltage lock!!! AMD wins if you plan on mining with it, in almost every instance I can think of.

    ETA** mantle so far is not performing to the level AMD claimed and it's not been adopted very widely to justify choosing AMD over the green team just for that. Nvidia is bang on with performance and power consumption which is great IMO.
     
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    You're on a 1080p monitor, as stated in the beginning, right?
    A regular GTX780 is overkill there. Any waiting you should do is not for more power but new technology (DirectX 11.x ect.) or reduced cost.

    Hell, for a bit over $700, you can get a 780 and a 1440p monitor.
     
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    Considering the hangar of SC runs at 35-40 FPS on max, I don't really thing it's overkill to expect an even more demanding DFM, and then persistent universe.