Massive tearing

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  1. Mishka
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    Heyyo! When I'm playing any game, changing the camera right/left whether it be 1st or 3rd person, will cause tearing at all times. The amount of tearing varies from game to game. For example: Arma 3 has for me some really extreme cases of tearing. This may lead to me not noticing other players far off into the distance. A game like Counter Strike or Archeage barely has any at all. Online videos have a TON of tearing whenever there is a lot of movement, however they are toned down when using VLC for example.

    This is not a new problem I have, and I've done a lot of googling and found different results. I've tried V-sync (nope nope nope) and also frame capping at different frames (anything below 60 FPS of course is not part of the master race and therefore not tested).

    My GFX card is a Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 760 4GB. I used to have an Nvidia 560 TI which did not cause tearing. I've read that there are multiple people with the same problem, and some of them have solved it with things like V-sync or exploring settings into the Nvidia control panel. None of which has proved to help. I also swapped out the cables I used to my moniitors, which has not proven to be effective.
     
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    Can you try using different monitor or even a tv or try connecting your monitor to another system and see if the tearing occurs again
    so we can rule out monitor as part of the problem.
    If your card is evga, you can just rma it.

    Try setting your card to Adaptive VSync in your nvidia driver.
     
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    I use dual monitors, one with HDMI cable, and one with DVI. Both monitors have the same amount of tearing on them. They are also both different monitors from different manufacturers. (One from AOC and one from Asus). But I'll give Adaptive V-sync a go
     
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    ARMA3 is very intensive, especially on the CPU. This can lead to a lot more tearing because your framerate is not nearly as high in it as it would be in CS and AA. To eliminate tearing you need to either turn vsync on, which is designed specially to get rid of tearing. This can cause input lag issues though, especially on these heavy tearing games because your FPS is already so low. Another solution is to buy a GSync monitor. Or you can turn your graphics settings down more to get higher FPS and hopefully eliminate most of the tearing.


    Adaptive Vsync wont help, because you are already lower than your monitor refresh rate so you will just be stuck in a vsync off state most of the time. EDIT: Actually, see if Adaptive VSync (half refresh) will work in the current driver and your game. This will sync you to half your refresh rate, which will keep you in vsync a lot and will eliminate most of the feeling of input lag by keeping your frametimes much more consistent.

    Not all games work well with adaptive half rate though. For instance in SW:TOR turning it on will make the game feel like it is rendering only about 10fps and skipping all other frames, even if the framerate is in the hundreds. So it is just how the game reacts to the setting, most should work though. Unless you have a driver version where the feature is broken, then it wont work at all. Nvidia broke it a while back and I dont know if they fixed it yet.
     
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    Yeah, tried Adaptive V-sync. Didn't work. Having V-sync on does not remove the tearing. I have tested this on multiple games, and it has 0 effect whatsoever :/ There is no difference when swapping graphics settings on any game. Doesn't matter if I have 20 or 200 fps, its gonna tear. I have looked into G-sync monitor, but I've yet to find one on the Norwegian market (importing is TOO MUCH TAX)
     
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    Adaptive VSync (half refresh) did not do much either. Games tested: Arma 3, DayZ, Counter Strike, Diablo 3, Youtube
     
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    Then that means the issue is somewhere else besides the FPS. It could be a bad graphics card, it could be a serious Windows install issue, it could be a minor Windows issue, maybe both monitors just happened to go bad, or maybe your CPU is having issues, could even be hard drive related even though that sounds funny being an FPS issue.

    This all started when you put in your GTX 760? I suspect is is a GPU issue right now.
    What are your other hardware specs and estimates on how long you have had each piece of hardware?
     
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    I have:
    Intel i7-4820k 3,70gz (8 CPUs)
    Corsair Vengeance 16 GB ram
    Asus X79-Deluxe motherboard.
    Samsuns EVO 250 GB SSD
    Seagate Barracuda 3 TB HDD

    I used to have an old Pre-made Dell computer which came with its own Dell factory made Motherboard that I do not remember the name of. Also had an i7-2600 series and some old DELL factory Ram cards etc. Even with the old parts I got tearing. I upgraded my GPU first, along with a new Chassis and PSU. The harddrive has also been swapped very recently, so I don't think its at fault.
     
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    Ya the hardware looks great and I dont see where an issue would arise...
    One thing to try, go into your motherboard's bios and look for an area that says C1, or C1E, C3, C6, etc all in the same area. You should see some stuff about Intel Speed Step as well in that area. Turn off Speed Step wherever you find it, and turn of all "Cx" options. Set them to disabled or off. Then see if tearing goes away. I doubt it will, but it is something to try. These options should lock your CPU to always run at the highest frequency, instead of downclocking when it thinks the CPU doesnt need to be as high. This *could* cause tearing due to not being fast enough to feed frame data to the GPU properly if the CPU is staying too low. I doubt this is the issue, but it is a free thing to try and can easily be reverted by turning the options back on so no harm done.

    The only other two things I can think of would be a Windows installation issue or just something about the monitor itself and how it is dealing with signals. If you do end up re-installing Windows then be sure to unplug your second hard drive and only have the SSD connected when Windows installs. otherwise you could end up with the bootloader and system files on the slow hard drive instead of the SSD. Windows is retarded that way and it doesnt matter where you tell it to install, Windows will always put some files on the drive plugged into the lowest number slot on the motherboard.


    EDIT: Did you ever go into your graphics card control panel and under the 3D options or whatever it is called, in Global Settings area set "Prefer Maximum Performance" instead of whatever it defaults to. Sorry I cant be more specific on where to go and look for, I dont have an nvidia card on this work PC I am on right now and I dont remember exactly what the option is called. It is in the section where you can force certain options like Anisotropic filtering levels, FXAA, AntiAliasing levels, etc, etc.. Also make sure you turn on Triple Buffering in this area.
     
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    When you got the new card, did you do a complete clean out of the old driver, before installing the new driver?
     
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    I wont be able to check into my Motherboards BIOS until tomorrow, since I'm having a pretty busy holiday. Ive checked the Nvidia control panel, and even when turning on the following, it did not remove the tearing, tho I did get some better frames here and there then I am used to :D

    I reinstalled Windows about 4 months ago, and I had the issue before that as well. Before August I had everything old BUT with new PSU and GPU. Even when swapping out all the other hardware, new OS and HDD, the problem still persists. I'm pretty certain myself that the issue is with the GPU ;) Tomorrow I will check on the BIOS settings, and tell you how it goes :D Thanks a lot for you help tho (and to everyone else posting here) I really appreciate it :D
     
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    About 3 months after, yes. And problem still persists
     
  13. EniGmA1987
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    Have you ever tried running with just 1 monitor? Maybe it is an issue with pushing frames out multiple outputs on the GPU, especially if one is looking at a desktop and one is in a game.