Connecticut Supreme Court Rules Same Sex Marriage Legal

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  1. Ironjaw
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    You can still be married by a religion if thats all you care about, that doesn't mean the state is going to recognize it. Hell the reverse is true in many inter religion marriages, you are married by the state but your religions may shun you for marrying someone out of your faith. My mom is protestant and my dad is catholic, neither faith recognizes their marriage and so they live in "sin" although they are technically married. Do they care? No. If its just about love would it really matter? You can still cover your partner with your insurance, you can still will them your stuff, the only difference is a tax break (at least in NJ which I think allows gay marriage anyway now).

    Also many straight couples just don't get married anymore as it is, the divorce rate is already climbing over 50% and people don't want to get bogged down in a money struggle if they decide to split up. The institution of Marriage is not the sacred right it used to be and is becoming outdated, there is really no negative association with a divorce anymore besides money.

    Is this a fight to get married to prove you love your partner or is it a fight to prove something else? Or is it a fight to get the benefits of being married?


    On a side note how hasn't this thread been locked? If Tommy posted it some of the very same people who are posting on this thread would have been screaming for it to be locked as it involves both politics and religion.
     
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    It's not a competition, but I'm sure if you want to complain about it you can get this thread locked, too. And it's not just Tommy that has his threads locked. Some of mine have been deleted off the face of the earth. ;) I just accept that these discussions will run as long as they can, and that length of time is not going to be consistent, based on who sees it when and how the spirit of the posting goes.

    We really only have one mod, and he usually lets things run until someone complains about them and/or a flame war starts. I know that a quick way to get your thread modded is to start off in the main post saying something like "If this thread gets locked then these forums are bullshit". That's starting off on a negative tone right away and often invites more trouble. ;)

    As for marriage, I'm just interested in the same legal rights and protections for my family that are available to heterosexual married couples. It doesn't matter to me that the state gives its legal blessing or tells me my lifestyle is OK...I just want my partner to be able to make medical decisions for me if I'm incapacitated. If there weren't a ton of extra legal rights and protections granted by the state to married couples, then I don't think anyone would be fussed about any of this at all.
     
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    Maybe I am ignorant of the exact workings, or the laws in NJ work differently since they are civil union friendly, but I thought all of that was possible without being married. Ofcourse there are some nice monetary perks but I was under the impression you could perform the majority of functions associated with a wife/husband relationship without having that little slip.



    Mostly I just found it amusing that some of the whistle blowers from other threads, that I felt walked the same line just as civilly, are posting on here. I guess its OK to "break the rules" if its something that is important to you. But I agree that those threads that are created just to freak out about the rules should go as well.
     
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    umm first off in the bible homosexuality is condemned, they go to hell and its an abomination to god and all he stands for. so...my point is...ummm if god disaproves of gay's why would he make them?

    i believe its a choice since no one has any proof for the "gay" gene and im still waiting for the proof.

    It just seems so contradictory to me, god hates gays..yet he makes them? weird?????/

    That is all

    OH and btw - i love these topics =) they make discussions so interesting.
     
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    Simple. Gays don't believe in the Christian God. If they do, they've got issues obviously.
     
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    I watched that show "30 Days" where a southern anti-gay guy had to live with a gay man for a month. It was really eye opening. The Bible, which has been revised numerous times, can be construed many ways. I am sure according to the bible almost every single one of us in burning in hell anyway.
     
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    Argh...I won't have time to type up a response before I have to leave. Maybe I will get a chance tonight or tomorrow if this thread is not closed.

    For whatever my personal opinion is worth, I do hope the thread can stay open and flame-free. As a gay person, I do not feel flamed by anyone's response to this thread, and value the opportunity to continue discussion with people if allowed to do so. :) Even if no one changes their minds about the issues, I think maybe we can all understand each other a little better as a result of discussion.

    If the thread does have to close before I can reply then I would be happy to continue the discussion elsewhere or via PMs. :)
     
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    I have worked very closely with 2 gay men in my career and working with someone of a different life style certainly changes your perspective after a while. Ofcourse it could effect it in a negative way but it is still very interesting none the less. Not to mention the guild I was in during my time in WoW had a very large gay population (At least 50 out of 500 that I knew for sure, but probably more like 75) and you really meet some colorful people online hah.

    I find myself no longer saying: gay/homo/geigh etc at all anymore in a derogatory way, its not even really part of my vocabulary. Its almost gotten to the point of the infamous "N Word" for me so that when someone else says it it kind of bugs me. I do however find myself laughing uncontrollably when someone is acting very flamboyant or over the top :p Like when Delawhere said: Girlfriend? PLEASE! last night in vent I almost broke my laptop in laughter.

    People can do whatever makes them happy, as long as nobody hits on me or talks about their sexual escapades I am cool :p My mind is still scarred from the stories I heard at work...



    note: this is not meant to be patronizing if it comes off that way
     
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    I'm still waiting for the ban on left handed marriages.
    "Oh my god, gay's can't marry, blah blah blah."
    I'd show more sympathy if marriage meant anything to me at all, and the tax and legal issues I really don't care about either.

    I recognize how incredibly stupid and asinine it is to create a ban on gay marriage, but I also realize how little I care, if someone put up a sign in a club house saying NO GIRLS ALLOWED I wouldn't fight tooth and nail to mend their behavior because I realize people can act as stupid as they want and if you want it to change then go ahead but don't expect people it doesn't involve to help the cause.

    What was the quote? "My patience ends when the finger pointed at me touches me."
     
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    Women's Rites activists drive me insane. I have a lot of sympathy and compassion for many causes but that is one thing I can't stomach. I may be biased because I am a White Male living in the US, which is never considered the minority, but those man haters drive me crazy.
     
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    Before I say anything here, I'm not gay. I'm not Bisexual (yet, who knows what the future foretells) by normal people's standards... off topic but IMO the only 'true' sexuality IMO is Bi... Who the hell knows what sex the person is that they'll fall head over heels for anyway? Gah, different rant thats not irrelevant anyway.

    Honestly, let them marry. You are pretty much born with your sexuality, but it may be influenced slightly, but inthe long run IMO it wont make any difference. It does not affect you if you do not want it to affect you. Why the fuck are so many people butt-hurt at the thought that some dudes out there might have a different view on sexuality? So what, the bible says that marriage is a union between a man and a woman. It has been known by ALL that there are stuff in there that is impossible and such...

    Anyway. I am pro-choice for pretty much anything... within reason.

    QFT. I lold.
     
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    lmfao QFT.

    I am not gay so none of this effects me...so I don't care.
     
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    If religion was truly separate from government, as it should be, then this would be a non-issue.
     
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    QFT

    I have to strongly agree, it seems every time we get over a large hill in the road to equality the now equal form a conviction complex in which they further create a barrier between the party they are striving to unite with.
     
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    I would be ok if they truly wanted equality instead of: "equality with exceptions that benefit me"

    Like in the military. Ex. OK you want to join the Citadel, a mens only school until recently, and join the military? You must shave your head and conform to the established rules and regulations. Why should the institution change to suit you when you are the one seeking to join it?

    If you want to allow women to enter into male dominated sports and leagues then allow men to cross over into female leagues. Homogenize all the sports if you truly think women and men are equal. I know I would have kicked some ass on the softball team in high school!

    Don't even get me into the economics of the whole Women's Rites situation... I wonder if people realize that before the movement households with 5 or 6 children could be supported by the income of 1 person working. By adding all the additional labor into the workface, ie. millions of women who want to do the same work at the same pay, you are now driving down the salaries of everyone who is working because there is less demand and a far greater supply. So now a small family needs to have 2 working parents just to survive.
     
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    Women and men are different, equal in right and privilege for just their gender but it would be bullshitting around the issue to assume that just because there should be no bias built around gender doesn't mean that boys and girls aren't judged by the physical and brain chemical attributes that they are prone to.

    If the average bodyfat ratio of a healthy male is 10-15% and a female is 15-20% then that's a pretty big indication that although guys are not stronger than girls as a gender we sure as hell are prone to it.

    Seriously, deal with it.
     
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    Girls can do anything guys can do! With the appropriate handicaps and machinery ofcourse...
     
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    Great subject, but I'm locking it.

    I may be silly, but I see no reason to argue. Nobody will change anothers views(whatever they may be) in this or probably any forum. This thread has went on for several days, I hope you got your voice heard and are satisfied.
     
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