New PC time

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  1. trancet
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    Cant speak about any 8gb sticks, but im running this ram without any issues, booted right up at 2400mhz XMP 2 profile
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104293

    This thread seems positive
    http://www.overclock.net/t/1371048/...65-usd-oc-up-to-2133mhz-or-2400mhz-1-65v/0_40
    crucial 8gb sticks overclocking like 30nm samsungs
     
  2. Rbstr
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    I've got that Crucial Tactical LP...Hard/Impossible to get better DDR3-1600 modules: CAS8, low voltage and short low-BS heatspreaders.

    I don't know for sure, but I imagine these are made on a smaller process (being Micron has a relationship with Intel doing NAND)...Micron doesn't list any parts that match though.

    Apparently the dual channel 16gb kit is gone from Newegg now...I got mine for ~$115 it's $140 on Amazon.
     
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    - 32 Gb of that stuff
    - 3970x
    - 4x titan hydrocopper

    :eek:
     
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    = Broke.
     
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    It's crazy you could spend more on RAM than what my PC cost to build. Not to mention you will likely have to RMA the ram :/
     
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    Naw, the ram is prolly 100% fine and stable, but you would need to bin a bunch of ivy bridge CPU's to find one with a good enough memory controller to handle 3k
     
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    Well I'm up to 1.65 volts and still getting memory related BSODs. Fuck these things.

    I've settled on Patriot Viper 3 Black Mamba @ 2133 MHz in a 2x8 Gb kit. I have seen a couple review sites put these things up to 2500 MHz with some fiddling and reach 2400 MHz without much effort (1, 2). They OC just as far as 2400 MHz kingston beast from the look of it with similar/slightly tighter timings.

    German site with SiSoft Sandra results for a variety of overclocks on the patriot viper. Beast Sisoft results. Slightly faster @ the 2400 MHz mark. All artificial and I don't know if 600 Mb/s is within standard error for memory benches (~2% sounds like a reasonable standard error). Not really experienced in this area.
     
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    Corrupted my OS while overclocking my CPU :) was good fun doing that within the first 15 minutes of waking up yesterday. I had a paper I wanted to work on the rest of the day and instead spent the day sorting out the durn corrupt OS :S Was able to sort out a bunch of errors that were commonly showing up in the Event Viewer as well. I think from now on I am going to give the OC I want too much voltage and back off from there. Hopefully it will minimize the number of errors I get. I'm not touching overclocking until I get my new ram.
     
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    Once the H320 is released I'll be delidding my 3570k and using this TIM between the die and the IHS aswell as the IHS and the CPU block. Might add a block for my GPU and put this between those contact points as well.



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    ...So that's an Indium Gallium alloy of some kind?

    If it's not...well that's some crazy shit if it's still 100% metal, as they claim. If it is, it'll eat the crap out of copper or aluminum over time (really, most metals besides Tungsten and Tantalum at higher temps...Nickel or Lead or Gold hold up at room temp).
    I have a really hard time trusting that near computer components (lots of copper/al) in a system that potentially reaches over 50C without knowing what it's made of.
     
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    It says that you can't use it on aluminium because it will eat it but it is safe for copper/nickel as it is found on the IHS and the face of CPU blocks. Not sure what the CPU die is made of but it is safe for use there as well. It is 100% metal and conductive so you can't dump it all over your components :p I'm not hoping for a 20 C drop but some people over at OCN have reported drops in temps of that big. I think I am hitting a temp wall on my OC so this should help me get up to 4.8+
     
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    So these are the guys they probably get it from:
    http://www.indium.com/
    Here's the specific page http://www.indium.com/thermal-interface-materials/other/liquid-metal/
    We were thinking about using this stuff in order to pain conductive leads on ceramic pellets for analysis purposes. We stuck with colloidal silver paint. This stuff was too expensive, but cool as hell.

    I worry about two things:
    Application - like you said it'll short things out. If you apply too much it'll squeeze out. When it gets hot it'll become less viscous and be more likely to squeeze out.
    I can't find confirmation either way but Cu will alloy with the In/Ga/Sn system and I think that means the In/Ga liquid will alloy with/corrode copper, probably at computer temps, especially higher overclocks (Like I said, I can't find confirmation either way with just a cursory google...this might not be true, given Gold seems to hold up OK). That will increase liquid volume and remove heatsink material - that is a big deal if it allows it to leak out.

    If it's all nickel no problem...but the Swiftech kits have Cu base plates...I think most all-in-ones do.

    How long have people been using it in systems w/o issue?
    (when I'm at work tomorrow I might remember to check journals for the data for you)
     
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    The msds says it is indeed gallium, but only gallium, not an alloy. From what i gather people have been using this stuff for just over a year for this application.

    What do you do?
     
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    The Indigo Extreme is the best thermal interface material I have seen by far.


    I have used something similar a few years ago. It also was not rated for aluminum heatsinks. I used it on a copper base sink for maybe a year or year and a half with no issues.
     
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    [​IMG]

    That is the only graph I was able to find with indigo and CLP on it. CLU is supposed to be a few degrees better than CLP as well as a lot easier to install and remove later on. Indigo xtreme sounds like a pain in the ass.
     
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    Hehe, that Indigo xtreme thing is probably another IndiumCo product. It's a solid (mostly Indium) that partially melts in the installation process to fill voids. Good stuff, won't be a corrosion issue.

    Gallium isn't liquid right at room temp, you need more like 30C. To get the room temp liquid you need Tin and Indium. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-melting_alloy#Low_melting_alloys_and_metallic_elements). Adding the extra stuff is probably better than just having pure Ga form a corrosion standpoint.

    If others have been using it and haven't had problems then go for it, if you think you need to do it for performance or just really want to try it. Send an email to the company and see what they have to say. Chances are corrosion will be slow. I'd check it after several months to see what's happened.
     
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    Yeah, just looking for something to tinker with. I'm also now questioning whether or not itis just gallium. The msds says the mp is only 8c.
     
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    Lots of people use coolabs liquid pro when removing the IHS and mountin the cooler directly to the die, you get amazing temps doing it.
     
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    I am pretty sure that Coollab Liquid Pro is what I was using a couple years ago, now that is a real pain in the ass. At least the Indigo extreme is a metal piece that you have to melt, the liquid pro is just a liquid that doesnt want to stay put when applying it. I had that stuff rolling all around my motherboard. It reminds me of little balls of mercury

    That graph seems a bit strange to me. Another person I know uses it and gets way cooler temps than that. He is getting an average of 70 degrees during 100% load on a 5GHz i7.
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