CPU help

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  1. DarkPheonix
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    Need some advice im going to be buying the ASUS MAXIMUS IV GENE-Z just need to know what cpu should i get to go with it, ive looked at these two which one would you get, both the same price.

    Intel I7 2700k or the I7 3820?

    3820 looks like the better one in my eyes but i aint a expert.
     
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    Ignore me i dont think the Intel Core i7-3820 will work in that board, looks like i know what il be getting then.
     
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    Was going to say, unless you were planning on mashing the 3820 in with a hammer.... :)
     
  4. EniGmA1987
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    The 2700k is completely pointless. Buy a 2600k.
    And if your buying a high end processor and ROG board you had better be getting really good cooling to go with them so you can actually do a good overclock. If your case can fit it, a Corsair H100 is really good. If that doesnt fit, the H80 is very nice too
     
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    This^
     
  6. DarkPheonix
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    Why a 2600k? 2700k is only like £20 more and im going to get a noctua NH-D14 for cooling which should be good enough.
     
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    *ahem* Trust the enigma. Closed loop liquid coolers are the truth. Save the 20 bucks on the processor and buy the cooler instead. washes out the same in price, you get a more solid processor, and a more powerful (and lower db) cooler = better overclock if you want/more solid system if you don't.
     
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    That cooler is massive, and yes it does do a good job on cooling (as it should for the size of it) but as others stated the H100 and H80 would be good choices as well. If you got a smaller case and no room for a 240rad to fit in your box, grab the H80.
     
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    I LOVE my H60 (smallest version of the closed loop coolers) - room temperature under load, 10% fan speed, running my 2500k at a mild 4.3ghz. Best investment ever.
     
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    The 2700k is pointless because it is exactly the same as a 2600k but more expensive. There is no real difference between the two in the performance and overclock area, just a small little switch inside that says to run its stock speed 100MHz faster (which is nothing).

    DH14 is a great air cooler, but the closed loop water coolers are better. The H100 will cool better than the DH14 will, and you don't block your RAM slots. Also doesn't put a ton of stress on the motherboard.



    You look like your pushing to run 5GHz on the processor. At least, that's what I take away from wanting an ROG board and top end cooler with a known good overclocking processor. If that is what you want, H100 cooler will get you the closest. 2600k and 2700k's tend to top out right around 4.8-5GHz so no guarantees. If you want 5GHz a 2500k is much more likely to do it, but then you lose 4 processing threads.
     
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    my sentiments exactly. The closed loop coolers are just the next level in technology. Back in the old days, you put a fan on your processor and blow large amount of very hot air all over you expensive video cards and other parts. One solution was to water cool to carry the heat somewhere else and dissipate it. I remember when I had a massive amount of hosing and reservoirs and BIG radiators with noisy fans all coming out the side or back of my case. You had to constantly worry about flow levels, temperatures, water levels. As a an aquarium enthusiast, I enjoyed a lot of of it. But because you had such small margins of error, it could be kind of stressful if things went wrong. And for me none of this was in the name of the best overclock. No, it was to keep a Pentium 4 from cooking a hole through the motherboard. Which Ive done. :) Having capacitors explode like little firecrackers is fun, too... But tends to hurt the wallet.

    The closed loop jobs truly give you the best of both worlds. They have all of the visual and audible cue and clues that lead to serious bragging rights without any of the headaches of the older style custom water rigs- because they are "closed." But more importantly, they cool at an efficiency I've spent hundreds on custom water rigs to achieve.

    Whether or not you choose to buy one really doesn't matter, but i think you are going to get a solid recommendation from myself, Enigma and a few others that have been converted. The first post I ever did on the forum was to preach this. Months later, I'm still spreading the gospel.
     
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    I almost bought a H100 as I have 4 GT AP-15's hanging out in my closet, but I've decided to wait for the "next best platform" for gaming (I have a x58 setup now and its still running amazingly) and go for a full water cooling set up. I've already got the majority of the parts picked up and the loops all drawn out.

    But I'm doing that because I've never done it before and the thrill of building something with that in mind really interests me.

    The H100/H80 are great substitutes, and if Antec would get off their behinds and make a successor to its Kuhler 920 series then you might have another "brand" to go with.
     
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    Im surprised GPU's aren't coming with closed loop coolers to be honest.
     
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    Some of them you can still mount a Corsair cooler onto. The problem is you still need some good cooling on the VRMs and at least marginal cooling on the ram. So it doesnt work that well to do a water cooler on a GPU. You really need a special big block for each GPU. A CPU on the other hand stays with the same mounting holes for far longer and fits a wide range of processors. There just isnt much money in a GPU water cooler. You can get it done if you really want to though
     
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    Enigma and I actually discussed this on another thread briefly. I cant stress enough that there is no way this is a good idea. The amount of air you would have to force around the waterblock to keep all that ram cool that surrounds the processor- i just dont see cost benefit ratio working out for it.
    That being said, there is one or two options out there if you are willing to part with some serious cash.

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    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133398
     
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    wouldnt a dually xeon rig be cool (zing!) with a pair of these?
     
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    ya I guess, but they are already making water blocks for the reference 7970, can't be the much more effort to design the rest into a closed loop system.
     
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    PNY has a GPU all in one but I wouldn't suggest it.
     
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    yeah i mean if you are in a situation where water cooling a gpu makes since, then you are probably past the simple closed loop jobs. time to go custom.