KSG KelTec shotgun

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  1. Gruune
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    That is pretty sexy, don't let the government know you have it, they might hate and call you a terrorist. :p
     
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    I don't see the need of two chambers and just a single barrel?

    Just read it, it's got dual magazines, not chambers. Pretty good for a shotgun, except you can just buy drums that work just as good, oh and it's pump, it should totally be semi-auto.

    I do like the option they included to not feed another round however, you can choose to have it not feed a round, and just eject the empty cartridge, that's actually pretty nice.

    Also again, not sure why they wanted to tame the recoil.. its pump so you'll be moving it after each shot anyway....

    Seriously, would have been really good if it was semi auto, they could do it, with a bit of redesign, would prob have to be a bit longer though.
     
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    PS- I would like to shoot it, I'm not a huge fan o our 870s due to how long they are, this one looks a lot more compact.
     
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    I think its 26inches and the two chambes could server the purpose of one hold slugs and the other buckshot or other ammo Ive never heard of
     
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    If its for home defense..just the sound of a shotgun being pumped is enough to make the most hardened crims jump out of a window. also alternate the loads in the shotgun. Slug and buckshot. one you shoot them thru the walls..the other clears the room.

    you really dont want to kill someone..scaring them away is the best choice.

    Its a good idea to have a revolver as backup. A 22 magnum hits just as hard as a 357 within 15 feet and leaves a hole out their back just as large. also if the crim has a hostage a shotgun is no good.

    New Orleans cops mostly carry glocks with 22 magnums revolvers as backup.

    autos and semi auto will jam.
    a co workers glock jammed and he had to fight two robbers for the gun the robber dropped in shock at having a glock jammed in his stomach.

    If an auto jams and shell misfires..you need two hands to fix it. You might not have a hand free if it is up close and personal. I learned that first hand. I was holding the robbers gun hand away from me as I turned and shot him.

    When i put my gun to his head and pulled the trigger it misfired..lucky me the other shots had him going down and he landed on top of his gun and could not return fire as I did a 100 meter dash in 9 secs flat...while dodging and ducking.

    the third man i worked with would not carry a gun..he died on his knees, a bullet in the back of his head.

    a semi or auto is a good thing to have..but have a backup.

    Ive been shot at numerous times..past 50 feet most people cant hit shit with a pistol. So practice practice practice.
     
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    The problem with semi-autos is not the weapon itself, but the feed delivery system, such as a magazine or belt etc. I've only seen a few jams that wearn't caused by this and they where used quite a bit on ranges for practice. True it is a lot easier to fix a jam with a pump, but I have never actually seen a semi shotgun jam. Now full auto jams a lot, mostly because of the feeding like I said though. The Browning .50 QCB BMG especially, its a great gun, but has to be highly maintained through it's use.

    I've only been doing my job for 3 years and I'm not even fully trained yet so I haven't seen much.

    I never thought about the two types of ammo being used, that would make sense.

    What job has you dealing with criminals and allows the choice of weapon or not, private security?
     
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    I heart my Kel-tec p-11. That being said, its pretty unreliable. Most people tend to agree that a kel-tec is generally a half engineered product. I see this example as a similar situation.
    You have to manually switch tubes? I guess that has its virtue if you are switching round types... maybe? But, if you are doing that, a traditional shotgun with a single round tac reload of your special ordinance should be fine... In what situation would you need to able to switch round types for 7 rounds of ammo.. and then swtich back? Certainly not lethal to less than lethal...

    I'd love to see the paddle lever work automatically as a function of recoil or the as part of the pump action.
    Problem there is if you have an unevenly distributed round count in the two tubes, youd have a real problem when you got to the bottom of the short stacked side. You'd have to manually rack the rest of the rounds..... Yeah, the more I think about it, this is just a novelty having the two tube to load from.

    I do, however, love the idea of a bullpup. But, if you read the review, as with most bullpups exhaust is an issue. With a shotgun's gases, that's got to be a real problem. Short shottys are bad enough indoors.
    Along those lines as well: How loud do you think this thing is. With your ear right over the action, you'd run real risk of decapacitating your own senses while trying to defend your home. Lots of muzzle flash to blind you, tons of sound deafen you, lots of small moving parts to fail you... this is actually a dumb gun, isnt it?

    Like I said, awesome on paper, but half-baked.

    PS - I've jammed an automatic shotgun, Sam. (semi auto- using the local vernacular) Stop cleaning yours and run it all day and you'll do the same.
     
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    Only thing I've seen cause any jam problem was a broken ejector, like I said I haven't seen much especially with the shotgun, and only the 870 at that.

    It's a pretty simple weapon, and they seem to over complicating it with useless additions.
     
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    agreed. Completely agreed. This gun ruins the core virtues of shotgunning
     
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    part time night attendant at a gas station on weekends for extra cash..in down town new orleans in the really poor part of town. Was paid about 10 times minimum wage.

    after the shooting Cops all shook my hand..said good shooting and told me what kind of gun i should carry. I got my gun back after the trial..the guy lived...he took 3 to the chest.
    I quit that night..next weekend my shift..my friend was killed that took my shift. a bit of guilt still about that.
     
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    Ah, man. Thats really terrible. But you cant blame yourself for that one. No matter how much you may feel responsible for what happened, there's no way that could be your fault.
     
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    I'll stick with my mossberg 500. It aint fancy, but its what the army raised me on, so its natural.
     
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    Because three gun is more awesome with an autoloader, I choose the M4 Super 90.
     
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    Woah, that's really crazy, figured you where an armed guard or something, sad there's areas like that.
     
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    yeah no shit.