Occupy Wall Street Protests

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  1. Kyoji
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    poverty in each country is relative. The Euro is 1.3 US dollars and the Pound is 1.5 US dollars so a chart that displays less than $2 a day isn't really an accurate source for poverty. If you are earning less than $20 a day you are considered impoverished in the US.

    The 2009 Poverty Guidelines for the
    48 Contiguous States and the District of Columbia

    Persons in family Poverty guideline
    1 --------------- $10,830
    2 --------------- 14,570
    3 --------------- 18,310
    4 --------------- 22,050
    5 --------------- 25,790
    6 --------------- 29,530
    7 --------------- 33,270
    8 --------------- 37,010

    For example.
    http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats

    80% of the world lives on under $10 a day. Still hard to determine what that actually means when compared to the variance in currency. For example it will downplay European countries (not like they matter as much) but, will probably overplay 3rd world countries where $10 gives you a lot more than $10 in the US.

    ($10 a day is $3,360 US give or take)

    I imagine a global statistic like that is probably going to require more leeway and if you were looking at an individual country.
     
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    Who cares about other countries? They can fix their own damn problems. The US is not the top dog anymore and we don't need to be the world police either. We need to look after our domestic interests, because we can't afford to do anything else.
     
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    And to think I spend that much just on lunch each day :( I need to cut back on things and start being more thankful
     
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    Correct.
    $10 a day in India or most other third world countries is not poverty. Not rich, for sure, but it could keep you fed, clothed and housed easily.

    Charts like that therefore become useless indicators of poverty in first-world nations, but it's a safe assumption that it's still lower than in third-world countries.
     
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    Either way I think it is safe to assume that what we consider poverty here is nothing like what other countries consider poverty. Even if that $10 goes farther in those countries I still imagine that is is considerably less than what 'our' poor have in the US and Canada.

    Also, I would like to remind everyone to stay away from political references and discussion or the thread will be closed. I know we all forget from time to time so I am reminding everyone. :)
     
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    The other thing to remember is that a lot of the economic activity in developing countries occurs outside of the formal, measurable economy. If villages are doing subsistence farming, they need a lot less actual money to survive off because they're largely self-sufficient. That might make it seem like they're hopelessly destitute when in fact they're OK, just without the means to get anything they can't make themselves.

    At the same time, hunger is a big issue in these countries. There are the cities, for one, and also subsistence farmers are at the mercy of growing conditions - if there's a drought they will be hit very hard.
     
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    Absolutely, because with computers, phones and microwaves, which even the poor will usually have in the Western world, prices don't vary as much between countries. They're still considered luxury items in most of the world though.
     
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    someone just push the damn button already
     
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    O lookie here what popped up..

    Iunno, these people seem to be what Kyoji's trying to say..
    http://the53.tumblr.com/
     
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    The end of this quote seems a bit defeatist? and why? Why do you need a college education, America is full of stories of people who barely made it through high school and have succeeded. People just dont want to work hard .....

    People complain about being poor or having no money, but yet you them walking around with Ipods or the latest smart phone. Fact is people do not want to make hard decisions to save money or take steps or sacrifices to earn a dollar.

    I dont even use my college degree and the fact of the matters if I spent the 50grand on a 3familiy house the same year I entered college, Id be a millionaire on paper today .....

    Lastly advancing on a police presence is asking for a beating, and is no way infringing on their free speech, those brats got plenty of warnings


    Gru
     
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    these idiots are not just on wallstreet..they are worldwide and they mean business and do have a clear agenda. I'm one of them.


    people here say the protesters have no clue and hold up some idiots they found out of thousands and thousands around the world...that's extreme right wing propaganda.

    Stop mimicking what you hear on fox.



    being a baby boomer, this strikes a cord in me
    http://katedanley.tumblr.com/post/10720655493/ows-w2d2-0418-by-pweiskel08-on-flickr-what-they
     
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    Why are US citizens too good to work on a farm, but OK with taking money from the Government (and other US Citizens?) All of this, while they complain of no work and the high cost of food.

    This is a Cultural problem.
     
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    That's not necessarily true at all. I managed to get a job that can support my wife and child before I finished my bachelor's degree. Furthermore, I did it going through community college and state university so that if I had to take student loans to pay for it all I'd only have about $10,000 in debt.

    Maybe people need to readjust what they think a proper living is. I spent two years without TV or internet in my apartment. Two years with a cheap flip phone with basic talk and texting. I've only now been able to add some luxuries to my life in the past few months. Amazingly, doing without the nice things in life didn't kill me.

    Obviously, I'm not going to be very sympathetic to the Occupy Wall Street people only because I've dealt with and watched my peers deal with the exact things they're are complaining about. It required a strong work ethic and living within my means.

    To sum it all up, people need to stop being this guy:
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    occupy wall steet at its roots is about coporate greed and its corruption of goverment worldwide.

    if you have a problem with some individuals co-opting the movement saying they want a better job..or they need work. Thats fine.

    but state that reason..lumping the whole movement in your complaint. You sound like you have no idea what this is really about.

    If you don't know what its about..educate yourself. Read about it from many sources...get all the sides. Even the right wing corporate funded propoganda...like I'm seeing regurgitated here.

    if you are for corporate greed and its corruption of goverments...its your choice. USA is a free country..some country affected by USA corporate greed do not have that luxury.
     
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    You, like everyone else in this thread, assumes everyone in the US has an iPhone, house, and car LOL. If people live above their means, then yes that is their fault, but don't use an assumption of "people" as evidence for any kind of logical opinion. Let's also not assume that everyone is a liberal arts major, it's simply ridiculous to do so. In fact I believe our very own moneda is a computer engineer who lost his job on wall street and hasn't been able to find a job. But hey, assume away, clearly everyone in the US going to school or out of work is a liberal arts major.

    In fact instead of making all these wild and inaccurate assumptions show some stats that 300 million Americans have iPhones and all unemployed citizens are liberal arts majors. Maybe on the way to google you will learn that's just not the case.

    While we are on the way to getting our facts straight alley:

    Let's not assume that all foreclosures are because people aren't paying their mortgages.
    Let's not assume that corporations are "job creators".
    Let's not assume all American's have health insurance.
    Let's not also assume that if you have health insurance, they will always pay, as they might pull the "pre-existing condition" bullshit.
    Let's not assume people that don't have jobs haven't looked, or are not willing to pick up a job that's deemed "low class".
    Let's not assume that all protestors are hippies.

    Let's stop making assumptions and open our eyes and figure out that people, maybe not you, maybe not your family, or neighbor, are getting fucked over in the good old US of A. I for one find it hard to sleep at night knowing that, and yes I do what I can, but to turn a blind eye or be naiive about it? And for those of you who believe in the bible, "Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others."

    Because you can make more on welfare then working a minimum wage job.


    @doctorie, solidarity my friend.
     
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