New PC need bit of help...

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  1. Evilmaran
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    So im looking to upgrade my mobo, cpu, ram and get an SSD...

    now i want to spent between 200-300 euro for a mobo, and same for a nice cpu...
    i was looking at ASUS Extreme series,
    http://www.mycom.nl/Productgroep/Hardware/Moederbord/24577
    (mycom has great customer support, free shipping (if in stock overnight), and i still have 2 years to go on my warranty, which will not expire if i let them built the stuff in my pc...)

    thinking bout i7 but have no clue what the difference is between em...also have no clue what would be best on that mobo...

    i want 12ish gigs RAM to go with that, but them MHz always get me confuzzled...
    was thinking http://www.mycom.nl/Product/Componenten-Geheugen/OCZ-Platinum-DDR3,13336GB-KIT/230501 for RAM and 2 of them...also would like to be able to expand on mobo, to double it in the future (when i feel like it)...

    and an SSD of 60-120gigs...depends on price...heard new OCZ Vertex coming out in europe soon, so might wait for them...
    http://www.mycom.nl/Productgroep/Hardware/Vertex-3/25698


    i am not looking for OCing anything...

    what i got 700W PSU, 460gtx PNY OC.


    total spending money over 2 months, 800ish euro...looking to do mobo, cpu and ram first...SSD can wait, but not to long :p
     
  2. EniGmA1987
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    Good MB:
    http://www.mycom.nl/Product/Componenten-Moederbord/Asus-P8P67-PRO-B3,s1155/1159982


    You will want an i7 2600k (if you want to overclock at all) for a processor.
    Or an i7 2600 if you dont want to overclock at all.




    the i7 is a quad or hex core processor with HT enabled.
    an i5 processor is a quad core with no HT
    i3 is a dual or low end quad, I think I have seen one model as a dual core with HT but most do not have HT.


    These processors use dual channel RAM, not triple channel like the old ones. So 12GB is not a good amount of RAM. You either want 8GB or 16GB.

    You also want at least DDR-1600, but the higher MHz the better with these new processors. Timings on them do not matter very much at all. Obviously tighter timings are still better, but the difference between timings is insignificant. The new Sandy Bridge processors are all about the MHz.

    You can ONLY get 1333, 1600, 1866, 2133 speeds, no other speeds work with these new processors.

    Also, G.Skill is probably the best company right now for good RAM on the cheap :) OCZ does not makie RAM anymore, so you cannot get any RAM replaced by them.





    I love the people at OCZ, and I love what OCZ has done for the gaming hardware industry. However, they make some shit products. Dont buy a SSD from them. THe only SSD you should consider is a generation 2 Intel drive (sold out almost everywhere, this is EOL) and a Crucial C300 drive.

    Dont get an Intel 320 SSD either since it is unproven and Intel's track record has shown that you never want a SSD from them when it is first launched. It takes intel a few months to get all the bugs out of their new drives.

    And you will want a 100-120GB drive, 60GB is too small. Windows takes up around 12-15GB after a year or two of running on it. then you have the pagefile, and applications. 60GB would be used up really fast. Also bigger SSDs last longer anyway.
     
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    ok bout the MB i was thinking bout them EXTREME series from asus, does it really matter?

    and you mean this ssd right?
    https://www.afuture.nl/products/58094/CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1_Crucial_128GB_RealSSD_C300.html



    ok so G.Skill might be a lil harder to get but i will just order online...
    http://www.compuselect.be/contents/nl/d77_01.html
    this?
    G.Skill Sniper Series 8192Mb DDR3/1600 Dual Kit
    Dual Channel Kit
    8192Mb DDR3 (2x 4096Mb)
    1600MHz, PC12800, 240Pin
    CL7-8-7-24

    and it will be the i7 2600 then...

    wow if i do what u said im below budget even...was counting on 800ish euro...spread over 2 months...this would be 750ish...sweet stuff...

    you good man...very good...thanks
     
  4. EniGmA1987
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    You can get the Maximus IV Extreme if you want, but there really isnt a point unless you want to do some hardcore overclocking or run quad Crossfire/quad SLI. Which it really is a bad board for quad graphics anyway since you would have 4 graphics cards data compressed down to only 16x PCI-E lanes (from 64 lanes).


    And yes that is the SSD I meant.




    Also, those RAM sticks are the exact ones I have in my computer. Good RAM.
     
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    What Enig said.
     
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    so got almost everything now just the SSD...been looking around a little and keeping your advice in the back of me head but this one looks pretty sweet on transfer and write speeds...

    Corsair Force 3

    is it anygood?
     
  7. EniGmA1987
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    Nope dont get that, it uses the same Sandforce controller chip as the OCZ products. OCZ is a bit less reliable than Corsair, but the controller still sucks. It is only that fast in some situations, not all. The controllers tend to die at a much higher rate than anyone else. Firmware updates are often necessary and frequently have to erase all data on the drive to do the update. The controller has odd wear leveling algorithms that wear really unevenly. It requires maintenance in that you must run TRIM commands often. And the worst part is it has active throttling to force the drive to last 5 years. If you use it too much, it greatly slows down your speed. I have even seen it throttle down to 1MB/s in speed, which is slower than any drive including ancient mechanical drives from 15 years ago.

    The Intel 320 series has proven itself to me. It will last longer than the Intel G2 drives and seems to not have any odd firmware bugs this time around :) I would recommend getting a Crucial M4 or Intel 320 series SSD.
     
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    What's a good i-series dual core? For overclocking. I haven't been keeping up with all the latest releases.
     
  9. EniGmA1987
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    Rubius:
    In case you didnt know, you would need a new MB and new RAM to use a new Core processors. Or, does the q6600 use DDR3? Maybe it does, I really cant remember. It seems so long ago for those CPUs even though it was only a couple generations. Either way, would still need a new MB as well.

    The Sandy Bridge processors also have RAM speed limitations, you can only use 1333, 1600, 1866, 2133, and 2400. If your RAM is not one of those speeds then you will need new RAM even if you already have DDR3.

    Sorry to disappoint, but there are no new i# processors that are dual core and can overclock. Only overclock models are i5 2500k and i7 2600k. However, Intel will be releasing the i3 2120k SOON that will be able to overclock, but as of this time there is nothing.
     
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    They are all quad core and will require a new mobo for the socket type. If you want to overclock and looking into sandy bridge platform then shoot for a i2500k. It uses dual channel memory so shoot for 2x4gig @1600 ddr3 ram.

    Should really not be looking at dual core anymore.

    I think your q series chip, if you stay that route. Uses ddr2 mem.