Wired Router Query

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  1. Aral
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    ive begun looking for a wired gigabit router, so i was wondering if anyone here know of a good one, or give me suggestions for brands and the like? my plan is to upgrade my entire network in time, to gigabit standards; router, then switch, then nic, then tearing out all my CAT5 for CAT6, and finally getting some sillyfast overpriced internet connection to justify my spending all that money on high standard gear :p

    so, router, WIRED, goodness. if you must, you may suggest a wireless one, provided it has physical ports that are also gigabit and routed, and has the ability to turn the wireless off. (careful here, ive found several, but when you read the fine print, it only switches through the physical ports, not routes)
     
  2. EniGmA1987
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    So... You know you would need more than a 100mb connection to the internet to need more than a 100mb LAN connection right? Do they even have more than 100mb connection in Canada?

    Not to be rude to Canada or anything, they are very uncommon in the US too. Only very small countries have readily available 100mb connections already, Vietnam being the best to my knowledge. Last I heard you could get a 1 gigabit connection to your house if you had enough money.

    Also are you sure you need a router and switch? How many things do you need to connect at the house?

    Also you may not want to invest to heavily in a big and drawn out upgrade as they have been finalizing 10gb Ethernet for a while now, and I see a switch to all fiber optic in the future.
    Actually according to Wikipedia 10gb Ethernet is finalized but it is just the physical connections that are not official and prevalent yet:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_Gigabit_Ethernet

    BASE-T is the Ethernet standard you are used to so the 10GBASE-T cables would be your best upgrade for a gigabit network at this time as they would support both gigabit and 10 gigabit connections.

    Here are some companies with 10GBBASE-T products:
    http://www.broadcom.com/products/Physical-Layer/
    http://www.teranetics.com/products/10gbase-t
    http://www.webcitation.org/5jc2TUnO0
    http://www.teranetics.com/applications/10gbase-t
    http://www.silicom-usa.com/default.asp?contentID=775



    If you want the best, you should get a Cisco router. But you probably cant afford one of them.

    A slightly more detailed explanation of your needs might help.





    EDIT:
    Also here are some links to CAT7 cables if you want to upgrade to those instead.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/CAT-7-SSTP-Patc...073?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e5a94ad89
    http://cgi.ebay.com/CAT-7-SSTP-Patc...431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e5a94aeef
    http://cgi.ebay.com/CAT-7-SSTP-Patc...093?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e5a94ad9d
    http://cgi.ebay.com/CAT-7-SSTP-Patc...304?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e5a94ae70
    http://www.antarespro.com/3535560-i...+Flat+CAT7+cable.aspx?sgd=330d352d356d383d289

    http://www.antarespro.com/Search.aspx?key=CAT7&SearchGo.x=0&SearchGo.y=0
     
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    heh, do not question my desire for shiny new tech! :p

    but that said, you are correct, we do not yet have internet that fast, the two biggest ISPs around here have 50 and 25 currently, but both fully intend to push that bracket in the coming years. iirc, the latter one, which is currently limited to 25 is currently in the process of replacing/developing/deploying their network, which will allow them to reach 100mb (to leave their competitor behind i assume).

    though. that said, i have a almost-a-decade-old router that perodicially shits its self and dies on my current connection when it push it (given that it was bought by my parents and not me, i wouldnt be surprised if the damn thing was only 10mb). and i wish to upgrade it. but i see no point in spending money on a common router when ill have to replace it in a few years when they do get sillyfast internet available, id rather just spend alittle more now for something gigbit capable and be done with it. (to say nothing of the bragging rights with my technician friends)

    to describe my network currently, we have a modem in the basement, and about a foot away we have my current router, from which runs three cat5, one to the living room (family computer), one to my parents office (office comp) and one to my room (all my gear). this is because my ISP is stingy with the IP addys, and so i can pay extra for a half dozen of the damn things, or pay for one and route locally. (also the responsible thing to do)

    the cable to my room connects to a switch, which divides between my personal computer, my lappy, my PS3, Wii, printer, and remote storage/server/funbox/flavour of the month/etc. aside from the potential internet applications, i want a gigabit network to speed up my shuffling of files locally.

    but yes, im aware that cisco is the best. and its what i use at work and such.... but as you noted, i would rather not have to resort to selling my organs to afford it. i just need something small, four-ish port, home gigabit wired router. the two primary issues i have are A) beyond cisco, im not terribly familiar with which brands are awsome or suck, especially for the home market. B) the prevalence of wireless routers in the home market (you lazy unsecure turds!) have all but pushed wired devices out of physical stores, so i need to shop online, im just not having much luck there either, with the few devices that have looked promising, often have scathingly negative reviews and claims that they dont actually achieve the speeds they claim to have. while im aware some (probably alot) is likely user error, it would be nice to know which brands (or even specific routers) are tried and true products.

    im aware im something of a early adopter here, but i though someone other than me might have given it some heavy thought and already arrived at a ideal product, even if they havnt taken the plunge yet. hense the topic.

    on a final note, i need no help with a switch... gigabit switches are common and cheap, already. id have no issues getting my hands on one, but i want the router first.
     
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    Well I moved out of my old place a few months ago and still have my router if you want it. The thing is a little over a ywar old and was pretty good to me. Its wired only, gigabit lan and wan. It is a DLink dgl-4100. I would still be using it myself but I have a really sucky modem/routee combo I have to use from ATT. Ill sell it to you for $20 plus shipping if you want it.
     
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    thanks for the offer, but ill just buy a new one... the asshats discontinued it in canada, but i can still order it from the states, so imma do that.
     
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    How can you do anything on your phone without wireless? And what about your laptop are you always going to plug it in?
     
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    i use my phone for phoning, nothing else. and the lappy was my old college computer, i used it to connect to the college wifi... but in the dorms i always used a wire, i always use a wire for anything of any significance. now adays it is very stationary, only moving from its spot when i travel or such, and naturally having no wifi at home is not a impediment then.
     
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    internet connections in the US are often above 50mb, just its way to expensive to put into your home since you need the infrastructure to receive say a t1 line from your ISP and you have to pay for them to lay the t1 line, but thats just in the details...

    any kind of wireless router will distribute ip addresses through DHCP, even if its not actually routing but switching. this seems to solve your ip problem? I really like my WNR3500L wireless N router, has 4 LAN gigabit ports, and allows for custom firmware which will let you get your geek on for funzies.
     
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    mhmmmmm, more to the point, i know far too much about how easy it is to hack even 'secure' wifi to ever trust it, ever. im well aware than wireless routers can punt DHCP through the air, but that is not my issue with them. its my slightly excessive but professionally justified paranoia with regards to spraying my bits into thin air


    out of curiosity, how common is the ability to turn the wireless completely off on a wireless router (which also has wired ports)
     
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  10. EniGmA1987
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    Actually Bishop, a T1 line is 1.5mb only. I know cause I had a T1 for a while where I used to live, $350 a month. To get higher than 1.5mb T1 you have to bond together multiple T1 connections.

    The fast datacenter/corporate/whatever else big stuff connections are OC-## connections and not T1. There are also DS# connections too (DS1, DS2, DS3, etc) A DS1 line is the same as a T1 really. a DS3 is a T3 connection. Internet backbones for a while used to be OC-96 lines.

    a DS3/T3 connection from an ISP to you probably would cost around $3000 a month. That would get you a speed around 44mbps.
    Verizon used to offer an OC-24 connection to me for just under $25,000 a month.
    OC-24 = 1.2gbps internet connection.



    100% common
     
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    Aral - very common to do so, and WPA2 provides a very good level of security, but if your that paranoid... well more power to you

    Enigma - I know, I was almost CCNA certified in high school, and literally just completed my basic telecom course last monday for my MIS degree :) I just didnt know the exact prices, hell for 350 id almost do it :D
     
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    It depends where you are and the providers in your area, some places charge $1000+ a month for a regular T1 at the 1.5mb speed. Which is incredibly slow and completely useless now days. The most basic Fios is faster and far cheaper. And still have 95%+ uptime.

    It will probably be another 2 years before 50mb internet via Verizon and ATT become available in many areas for a good price. Currently only highly populated areas such as LA, Chicago, New York, etc have 50mb internet connections available. Even then to use another more than a 100mb fast ethernet router you would need a much faster internet connection. Which means you would have to be near a highly populated area and subscribe to an OC-12 or OC-24 line for many thousands of dollars a month. So I really dont see the point of having anything more than a 100mb WAN port on a router, and gigabit LAN ports may only be necessary if you transfer a lot of data around the network.
     
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    unless, say, you want to future proof your network :p
     
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    25k a month for internet, pretty good deal :p
     
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    We just got U-verse setup here in Alabama 100meg to the house. Its a combination of HDTV and DSL basicly. We have a dedicated switch so we can control the speed to each application plus living 170feet from the DSLAM is nice. The service is only $145 bucks a month which is alot less then we were paying for Cable+DSL. It was running us roughly 200 bucks a month with less channels then this current setup offers.
     
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    Wow thats impressive.

    Is it really 100mb usable for internet if you wanted though? Because where I am I have a 30mb line coming in but only 12mb is usable for internet cause thats what I subscribe as. They also dont let me configure what amount of bandwidth goes where :(

    What switch do you have that lets you control the bandwidth?