Valeroice DK-Blood-Tank / Valete H-Pally

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  1. Trice
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    Gents,
    Still not sure why I have to app to XoO when I am in XoO, but hey if app is what yah want then here yah go.

    1. Character Info: Name, Class, Main Spec (Link armory):
    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Cho'gall&cn=Valeroice
    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Cho'gall&cn=Valete

    2. Explain your talent selection (theorycrafting source, specialization choices etc):
    Went with Blood for DK tanking for its stam, str and exp, single target raid buff (Hysteria), WoTN and increased AP.

    H-Pally went with a more traditional Raid healing spec using BoL / HL as my main heals. Toss around FoL when he dam is not hot and heavy. Considering a 'bubble' (DS / DG) secondary spec for hard modes etc.

    3. Your Age: 38

    4. Current professions and their raid benefit:
    DK - JC / Mine JC for the JC Stam gems
    Pally - BS / Mine BS for the extra jem slots

    5. How long you've been playing WoW and what PvE progression you've accomplished:
    Have been playing roughly two weeks before GW:GWEN launched, that was what 06?

    6. Describe how you theorycraft your class (websites, spreadsheets, etc):
    Keep an eye on TS and EJ mainly

    7. Occupation and living arrangements that impact raiding (family, schedule, etc):
    I am on-call at least once a month. If I get a page from work I might need to take 10 - 15 to check on things or bail.

    8. Guild History - where are you leaving and why:
    Was in BLEED ranked 5 on Cho'Gall for 1.5 years as the A-GM. Guild merged with Banished roughly 2 - 3 months ago, during the merger I was not needed to tank heal and was reduced to a 'Friend' rank. Spent 3 weeks in guild and never raided, decided to find another raiding guild, but this never panned out. Currently in Tainted, they 'try' to raid ICC 10 on Wed/Thurs.

    9. How did you hear about us? List any friends/references within the guild:
    I am in XoO go figure..
    10. List your raid consumables and your method for maximizing them:
    DK I try to bring exp food to get me closer to cap and improve threat along with Stoonblood flask
    Pally I bring either haste or crit food and sp flask

    11. List scheduling conflicts (include times for possible weekend 10mans):
    Weekends are Free during the evening (after 7/8PM EST)

    12. Provide your raid damage/healing performance. Examples are Recount Screenshot with personal breakdown of attacks, WoW Web Stats (WWS), or World of Logs:
    This will be hard to-do, have not raided in a week+ I'll try and grab H-Pally stats this wed/thurs if we raid otherwise I'll trya nd find a pug.

    13. Provide a screenshot of your UI:
    http://www2.potsdam.edu/yacketrj/vale-ui.jpg I use clique to heal (HL/ Fol) and number keys to toss out ss, bol, JoL an instant heal

    14. Can you take constructive criticism and being call out on mistakes (both in and out of raid)?
    Look forward to it! My healing is lacking as well as tanking, have not been able to focus on one or the other seeign that BLEED had be doing the jig between each. This caused my gear to suffer as well as other factors.

    15. Final comments you feel could help your application:
     
  2. Bloodlex
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    You are not applying for a spot in the guild but a Raiding spot instead. Imo it would be the same if I wanted to start doing the equivalent of raiding with AION on the NA XoO server division and show that I am knowledgeable of the game/class and have the equivalent gear/expertise to do the current material they are doing without interfering with their progression. Which I believe this would apply to all games when it comes to play in competitive mode.

    This is no way meant to be offensive or anything like that. :D Is just an answer to a your question that comes from my opinion :p
     
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    A few things: Your DK Tank is at 7.35% hit so you do have chance to miss on Dark Command ETC. 8% hit is needed if you are not using the Glpyh. Your Ashen Verdict Ring is not gemmed armory could be bugged. The rule is usually you gem for Socket Bonuses usually +9 stam or higher when one of the sockets required is blue. Reagal Dreadstone is the best choice for a Red Socket. Yellow you can make up for with Hit with a Vivid Eye of Zuel if needed. Gemming pure Stam is fine though if you aren't lacking in anyother stats.

    Best in Slot Legs are Pillars of Might.
    Boots the craftable ones Boots of Knightly Upheaval would be a huge upgrade
    4PC T10 is really good for DK Tanks. The 12% Damage reductio non Blood Tap use is very useful.

    Regarding your glyphs: Glyph of Disease is a waste now because of the change to Icy Touch giving so much threat. I dont understand why you have 1 Point in Necorsis as a Tank it doesnt make sense to me. Better off putting that into another talent in Blood.

    Most Importantly you dont have Glpyh of Vampiric Blood which is by far a Blood Tanks best Talent. The 5 extra seconds could be the difference between living through something and dying.
     
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    Probably the best tank spec out there is on my DK right now. Dragpo @ Sargeras. It gets the Frost cooldown, the DR, the extra threat from IT etc etc. As well as Talons for raid buffs, and it grabs the extra life/str from blood. It gives all the Damage Reduction, life, and threat you need! Of course, you can change the little things like the chance to hit in UH and such if it suits you better. It even allows IT spammage.

    Blood Gorged is a terrible talent for a Blood Tank. It wastes 5 talents, since being a tank you'll dip a lot in life, and ArP is useless.

    Glyph of Disease and Glyph of Death and Decay are pretty useless as well for a tank. It's fine for heroics, but any raid and it's a waste of useful glyph spots.

    You really want to be Spell Hit Capped since IT uses spell hit as well. That's why I grabbed the 2 points in Virulence. It's not totally necessary, but it'd be a bad thing to miss your first IT and have a melee make a big hit and die immediately. Last I heard taunts also use spell hit, but I could be wrong on that one.
     
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    I disagree Blood Gorged is a needed talent. No Taunts aren't Spell hit you need 8% hit to hit capped for melee which is also for taunts.

    I disagree again vamp blood > unbreakable armor for an oh shit button
     
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    As far as your talents go for sure you should drop that one point in Necrosis which is useless for you. Also I would drop the talents in Subversion which would allow you three more talents. By dropping those you are able to use them in talents to increase your cool downs by allowing you to pick up Rune Tap, Improved Rune Tap (1/3), and Mark of Blood. These two additional talents increase your survivability. Although my talents differ slightly I would probably say this is the best unless you are asked to tank Prince Keleseth in which Spell Deflection becomes a very nice talent as well.

    I would have to agree with Detoxz on how to go about your talents, although mine differ slightly from his since I grab a couple talents for doing things, such as tanking Prince Keleseth. I have never had issues with people pulling off me with my talents & I usually always pull more threat than any other tank. I never thought Blood Gorged was a good tanking talent either until I started researching more by looking at DK builds. Your glyphs should for sure be Death Strike, Rune Strike, & Vampiric Blood. These are a must for a raid environment, but I tend to switch Vampiric Blood to Disease when I get lazy in some heroics. If you would like to look at my Death Knight to compare differences about how we all go about our talents his name is Immortale.

    Note: I know that I am using the Sanctified Scourgelord Legguards, but I currently don't have the expertise to drop them and I have my heroics glyph on. (I just carry around those two different glyphs.)
     
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    All good info, but keep in mind that I have not had a main for nearly 6 months. I have openly switched from DK tank to H-Pally based on what the guild needed at the time. I have tanked all of ICC 10 up to LK and then made it to phase 3 as the main tank and the add tank without issue. Also seen a fair shake of ICC 25, again limited due to me not being able to focus on one toon.

    Specs are a dime a dozen, whats more important gear / spec or skill / ability? I personally would take a decently geared raider with a few quirks in his spec that is raid aware and not a moron over some 7k GS spot on speced raider that cant move out of raid hazards or listen etc.

    No worries rather cancel my account then sit on Cho'gal in some lame duck guild that rarely raids or deal with idiot pugs.
     
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    I'm sure if you ask, the officers wouldn't mind letting you into the guild, just don't expect to raid until you have proven your skills, whether it is via the application process, or in game as a trial.

    WoW Sargeras is semi-hardcore and we can't just bring in anyone who thinks they are worthy, XoO member or not. If you want to be a part of Xen on the WoW Sargeras side, go ahead and transfer; If you want to raid in Xen on the WoW sargeras side, then show them the goods.

    Also, I've noticed that you've applied to Aion, how would that affect your raiding? Raiding applicants are expected to make a majority of raid times (almost all of them if you expect it to make it past trial).
     
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    Have I said something that would infer otherwise? Hell, even doing 10mans
    with the guild is 1000% better than doing no raiding on Cho'Gal or trying to pug.

    Again, did I say something that suggested otherwise?

    And I play BFBC2 as well! not going to limit myself to one game when I enjoying playing multiple. Raid times are raid times other times are fun times.

    How many raiders do you have? if its > 25 then how can you expect a trial to make them all? just show up in vent / ts3 for attendance purposes?
     
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    If it is > 25 then you are expected to be contactable and ready within approx. 5-10 minutes. They use a EPGP system, so not being around means no EP which means less to no loot. Constant repeat offenders will be found being sat for other raiders, even trials, and eventually demoted.
     
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    preaching to the choir, I know all about EPGP ran it for BLEED using EPGP to dish out EP/GP and required members to have EPGP-LM for the pop-up window to make selections etc.

    Also have no worries about being 'on-call' IMHO its standard practice for raiding guilds. It was part of our policy as well in BLEED. Heck, most of the rules (if you want to call it that) are similar. At times it was hard to be online for stand by; found it rather boring with little to-do, have little care or concern for non raiding parts of the game.

    In the end I am looking for a raiding guild, heck even if its 10 mans 2 - 3 times a week I would be happy. Right now I am wasting money on this game with the lack of raiding in my current guild and PUGs being complete tools on the server.
     
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    any comments on my H-Pally, been a lot of talk regarding DK...
     
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    I'll have one of the healing officers who is a holy pally take a look at your palidan. Right now Tank is one thing we are pretty fine on you could definitely transfer though and get into ten mans no problem. A 25 Man Spot would be harder to get into for your DK Tank anyway. A DPS set would probably be your best bet to build, unless you just wanted to tank Ten mans. We currenlty have 2 Main Tanks and 3 Duel Spec Tanks who can tank any Heroic 25 content as well.
     
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    I miss 10 mans :(
     
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    I am not the officer Swiftzz is talking about but I will comment on your paladin anyway.

    Overall, your gear looks good except for the possible upgrades when they become available.

    I am not sure about the 96 mp5 trinket, there are plenty of other trinkets that would be better. ToC 5 man has a decent intellect trinket. The frost badge trinket has 179 SP with a mp5 proc which gives an average slightly over 100mp5 I believe. So you gain a lot of SP while slightly increasing your mp5. However, (H) Solace from ToC is better than the frost badge trinket because of the mp5 return. It is hard to get in PuGs since that is the main reason people run ToC still, but it definitely a nice trinket if you can get it. Your 245 int trinket from triumph is good though.

    I am not sure why you are using 50sp/20spi leg enchant. Spirit is useless for paladins. The extra stam instead of spirit would be a better option in a raid environment. It is not a huge difference since it doesn't affect your healing output (unless that extra stam was the difference between life and death), but just something that I thought was worth noting.

    Your spec looks alright for maxing your healing output, but it lacks raid utility. The other common build would be picking up Divine Sacrifice/Divine Guardian in the Prot tree along with Aura Mastery in Holy. I am not saying your spec is "wrong", but if you raid with us the officers may request that you talent for the extra raid utility.

    You do have one of the 2 preferred librams though. I see way to many holy pallies get the iLvL 264 libram. Gearscore these days...
     
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    Agreed I have a upgrade 'wish list' just hard to get those badges with limited raiding. Can do the raid weekly and daily heroic, but that would be a massive grind.

    Looks like an over site, thanks for the catch! Should have been Sapphire Spellthread

    Think I mentioned in my app that I was looking to add DG/DS as my secondary healing spec. I had Aura Mastery at one time, not sure why I went away from it.
     
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    Yes you did, my bad >.>
     
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    That's good enough for me :) Would love to run 25 mans, but if that's a no go then so be it. I went away from DPS'ing sense Wrath launched got sick of it all through original and BC.

    Would it be wise to bring both toons over to better serve the guild?
     
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    ya bring them both over
     
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    Was re-reading comments / suggestions and was wondering about

    Will have to start digging through TS / EJ again, could have sworn the rule of thumb was +stam EVERYTHING except for meeting req for meta. Similar to how H-Pally is +int EVERYTHING except when meeting meta req.